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Post by Lookout! Boxing on Jun 30, 2019 11:30:00 GMT -6
Recently, there has been discussion regarding a Cougar Division here in the FCBA and has gained some definite interest from managers in the league. Feel free to check out the thread here, if you're interested: Cougar Division Discussion. But, throughout the discussion, there were were a few outstanding issues that we want to discuss and get members to weigh in on.
One of them I'm going to address right now as unless there is a compelling reason not to, we'll leave the matches ten rounds. Most matches won't go to that length, but I don't think we need to shorten the matches.
But, there are a few other compelling questions that I am going to do a poll for, which will be open until Thursday July 4th. We may have a good idea of the direction things are going by then, but in the meantime, what we need to decide are two questions:
A) The dividing lines as we will only have two (2) divisions. Will it be by height or weight and if so, what will it be? Hopefully if doesn't result in a four (4) way tie as was suggested, but if you select other, please make a note here so we can consider other options.
B) Speaking of divisions, it looks like the leading candidates for the two division are Cougar Division (lower division) and Jaguar Division (higher height/weight). Please speak up here if you have any other suggestions and if those are approved, those are likely to be the belt names as well.
Now, once we have things finalized on Thursday, then when we set up the next PPV, which for the record, will be the exciting international crossover card Independence Day, we can start doing some Inaugural Cougar card bouts. Once we are getting an idea on who will be interested, we can set up some small inaugural tournaments to determine the first official Champions if people are excited about that.
Please respond and vote accordingly. I'll look forward to the discussion and the results. Hope everybody is having a great week and thanks again for all of your help in making this division happen!!
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Post by Tractorpull on Jun 30, 2019 12:06:03 GMT -6
Staying at ten rounds is fine. Actually we only need one breaking point. I suggest the division be divided at 125 and below and above 125. Having the divisions being divided at 125 and 128 makes no sense since the results would be the same except to allow some bigger fighters fight in the smaller division Any fighter above 125 could fight any above that weight regardless of size but not below unless challenged Of course I realize anyone below 125 could fight anyone regardless of size but I don’t expect a bantam would want to fight Righeiii. Thanks for taking your time to get this on the road
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Post by Lookout! Boxing on Jun 30, 2019 13:32:06 GMT -6
Staying at ten rounds is fine. Actually we only need one breaking point. I suggest the division be divided at 125 and below and above 125. Having the divisions being divided at 125 and 128 makes no sense since the results would be the same except to allow some bigger fighters fight in the smaller division Any fighter above 125 could fight any above that weight regardless of size but not below unless challenged Of course I realize anyone below 125 could fight anyone regardless of size but I don’t expect a bantam would want to fight Righeiii. Thanks for taking your time to get this on the road Just to be clear, in case it isn't from the previous discussion the poll itself, there is only one (1) breaking point needed. Fighters could, of course, always fight anybody in either weight class or division, but that should hopefully help to prevent mismatches. The cougar division should also help give some of these more seasoned veterans an opportunity to shine and open up more matches in the traditional FCBA too. There is only one vote each, so only one dividing line will be established - no worries there as we want to eliminate confusion, not add to it!!  And right now, 125 appears to be the one in the lead for the moment. It's early voting though and I'm intrigued to see how it goes!! Glad we could help get this going and thanks for all of your help!! |
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Post by gbs on Jun 30, 2019 13:51:40 GMT -6
weight would be a fine dividing line.
Cougar and Jaguar work for me.
Inaugural tournaments sounds great.
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Post by Archer on Jun 30, 2019 17:33:06 GMT -6
I decided to go along with weight (125) being the differential. Though I admit I am uneasy at how easy its going to be determine weight. Still, I think this will be a fun new area and like the Cougar/Jaguar names for the Lower and Upper Divisions.
Archer
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Post by holloway on Jul 1, 2019 0:22:05 GMT -6
Weight as the dividing line sounds good on paper. But I agree with Archer, it’s gonna be hard to determine where each fighter belongs. It’s still kind of hard with four divisions, there have been complaints before. And even though those four divisions are also divided by weight, height plays a very important factor.
I think my point is height wouldn’t be right, but we need to have a better way to determine the weight.
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Post by bazz on Jul 2, 2019 8:09:21 GMT -6
I voted for the 125lb break point. I have to say though that who knows where these women tilt the scales at now. With the exception of the likes of Righetti, Regan, etc on one end and Scerbo, Hudgens, etc on the other who knows where everyone else lands in our current divisions in terms of reality. Guesstamates are fine but if a cougar ends up as a jaguar, (if jaguars are indeed heavier that cougars), they should be treated as if they are toe to toe equal in size, for the most part, to make things fair for a fight. With that confusing statement having been unleashed I am for keeping the likes of Rohm and De La Garza in the mix every once in a while.
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Post by Ginny on Jul 25, 2019 8:09:44 GMT -6
Now that we seem to have resolved the age/weight issues (have we?) it's time to consider fighters for the two divisions (Cougar/Jaguar?) then get down to some 0 SERIOUS BUSINESS!
1. Post a list of names of the women ELIGIBLE AGE-WISE (it should be up to the fighter and her management whether or not to participate).
2. Give people the opportunity to ADD NAMES of those overlooked in compiling the list - or add non-FCBA members(??)
3. Someone (or two someones together) should come up with a TOP TEN/TOP TWENTY ranking for each division.... to help spur interest & give impetus to match-making (?).
4. PERHAPS? it might be good to set aside a special day(?) - I'm really not sure about this - for COUGAR PPV's (2nd Wednesday? other?) to give them some separation from the other PPV's? (could be any day, just something to give writers some breathing room going forward/b])
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Post by gbs on Jul 25, 2019 12:09:04 GMT -6
Okay Ginny.
I agree with what you wrote.
What should the top lists constitute winning records, total number of bouts?
Probably making a list would entail going through the FCBA Archive and finding which fighters match the criteria. I can start but maybe someone else can help out that would be great.
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Post by holloway on Jul 25, 2019 17:04:30 GMT -6
When will stables begin picking their new “cougar” members?
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Post by Ginny on Jul 25, 2019 19:43:45 GMT -6
What should the top lists constitute winning records, total number of bouts? Probably making a list would entail going through the FCBA Archive and finding which fighters match the criteria. I can start but maybe someone else can help out that would be great. I would hope the "first cut" would just be a list of names, maybe in alphabetic order(?). THIS will be the big job, requiring whoever is compiling the list to check their wiki- page to confirm age/height. I expect this could take months, unless we get 13 volunteers, each researching two letters of the alphabet (A-B), (C-D) etc. That could reduce the workload somewhat.(This isn't something that can/needs to be done overnight, perhaps someone doing a top ten off the top of their head would be enough...?) Next, some one or a couple of so-called "experts" would rank the "top however many" in order of their perceived ability. After that, the usual nit-picking and back stabbing between fans can begin.... pretty much the same as with any FCBA "top ten" list :P From there.... let the women sort out their relative positions in the ring. |
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Post by Lookout! Boxing on Jul 26, 2019 23:22:11 GMT -6
What should the top lists constitute winning records, total number of bouts? Probably making a list would entail going through the FCBA Archive and finding which fighters match the criteria. I can start but maybe someone else can help out that would be great. I would hope the "first cut" would just be a list of names, maybe in alphabetic order(?). THIS will be the big job, requiring whoever is compiling the list to check their wiki- page to confirm age/height. I expect this could take months, unless we get 13 volunteers, each researching two letters of the alphabet (A-B), (C-D) etc. That could reduce the workload somewhat.(This isn't something that can/needs to be done overnight, perhaps someone doing a top ten off the top of their head would be enough...?) Next, some one or a couple of so-called "experts" would rank the "top however many" in order of their perceived ability. After that, the usual nit-picking and back stabbing between fans can begin.... pretty much the same as with any FCBA "top ten" list  From there.... let the women sort out their relative positions in the ring. Honestly, I don't want people to overthink this either. Everybody has an idea of what fighters over 40 are in their stable or that they'd be interested to see participate in the Cougar division, either for the Cougar title or Jaguar title. I don't think we need to take the next couple of months to come up with a huge list - just come up with some exciting 'Cougar' or 'Jaguar' matches you want to see. In fact, tonight, on the PPV, we'll see the very first 'Cougar' bout in the FCBA officially since the formation of this division and we have another all set for when we our very first event. In the meantime, you'll see them on PPVs as we see which fighters want to participate and then, once we have a pretty good rotation, we can probably set up a tournament for the belts. Just start coming up with compelling, creative and fun bouts for fighters over 40, then we can get started anytime. Then, it's up to the women to sort out their positions in the ring and soon as we have matches, I'll start getting results. Can't wait to see what people come up with!! |
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And right now, 125 appears to be the one in the lead for the moment. It's early voting though and I'm intrigued to see how it goes!! Glad we could help get this going and thanks for all of your help!! 
