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Post by gbs on Jun 22, 2019 14:43:57 GMT -6
What does everyone think of forming a Cougar Division?
For those boxers whose age is now 40 or more. Many of them are not boxing and are should not be left on the sidelines as it were. In this division they can box, get noticed, and may get rediscovered. Sign with a new stable.
Is there any reason when a celebrity reaches a certain age all they can do is manage or train?
This would not prohibit any boxer from appearing in regular FCBA bouts these would be add ons too or additional fights. No boxer would lose out on a title bout or anything like that because she boxes in the Cougar Division.
I know there was a senior division from 1999 to 2002 and those bouts were 8 rounds in length. This would be like reviving it but without the negative connotation.
What does everyone think?
If this works, should the bouts be 8 rounds or the traditional 10?
Any other ideas for such bouts and a division?
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Post by Ginny on Jun 22, 2019 17:28:10 GMT -6
I think the best argument in FAVOR of a senior division is that it would be a response to the naysayers who don't like to see 24 y/o's fighting 42 y/o's. Let the women who helped found and make the FCBA a success have the dignity of their own division where they can settle old (and new) feuds and perhaps give fans a chance to settle old question about "Who woulda won if..."
Perhaps have just two weight classes (under and above 128#)? since a lot of older women have expanded more than just their bosoms!
OR have two height classes (above/below 5'6" or 5'7" tall)?
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Post by Tractorpull on Jun 22, 2019 18:40:44 GMT -6
II totally agreee with Ginny. Just two weight divisions
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Post by gbs on Jun 23, 2019 11:44:01 GMT -6
I agree with Ginny and Tractorpull too. Two weight divisions.
Any other ideas to add to the division?
What about the length of the bouts, is 8 enough or should it be 10?
I am super glad others like this idea. Maybe it will gain traction.
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Post by Archer on Jun 23, 2019 12:10:24 GMT -6
I would not mind having a Cougar Division (the name is indeed a lot jazzier than "Seniors"). 7 or 8 round bouts would be about right (not to mention easier to write.). I agree keeping it simple with two sub-divisions is good idea. Not quite sure what to call them: A and AA? Speaking personally, I would like to be able to continue writing fight stories for the now 40 Rachel McAdams and I miss having Jennifer Garner in the ring. This could be a way to give them some winnabke fights. BTW GBS--I have meaning to ask if you might consider a future Retro Bout involving Julie Adams (CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON). Simguy did a couple of stories involving her. I would enjoy more if would consider it. Julie Adams Profile Page
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Post by Ginny on Jun 23, 2019 13:09:10 GMT -6
7 or 8 round bouts would be about right (not to mention easier to write.). ... two sub-divisions is good idea. Not quite sure what to call them: A and AA? Archer Seven (7) round bouts reduces the possibility of a DRAW. Otherwise, 8 is more traditional. (?) "A and AA"? (A for the " Energizer Cougar Title" & AA for the " Duracell Cougar Title"???? with a sub-division for redheads? "Duracell Coppertop Cougars"?) It's ALL about product placement baby!!! |
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Post by gbs on Jun 23, 2019 15:18:28 GMT -6
7 rounds sounds good to me.
I agree with Archer and would like to continue to see women like McAdams and Garner still in the ring. my own managers I would like to see box again just because they are of a certain age they should not be allowed to decay. Sorry wrong choice of words but I hope you all get what I mean.
Any inaugural matchups you want to see?
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Post by gbs on Jun 23, 2019 15:30:09 GMT -6
Also should we use the 128 pounds for the division difference?
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Post by Lookout! Boxing on Jun 23, 2019 22:38:36 GMT -6
First of all, I'm glad to get to see the Cougar Division receiving such a positive response and kudos to GBS for initiating this discussion. Sounds like there is some enthusiasm behind it and some things have been discussed, such as potential two (2) weight classes and a potential 7-8 Round maximum. Here are a few other questions I have.
A) Would it be for fighters 40 and over? Just want to make sure we have a firm cut-off to avoid confusion, though exceptions can always be made I'm sure. B) This has already been asked, but for the two (2) weight classes, where is the dividing line? 128?
C) If we have two Cougar Weight classes, what should they be called? (I've seen A and AA - but open to other ideas too!)
D) Should there be belts or some kind of prize in the division for Cougars to aspire to?
E) I'm sure there are other questions, but once we sort it all out, it's just a matter of coming up with a few inaugural matches and going from there.
For the record, I'm probably leaning towards 8. People do love a good draw occasionally, so I'd like to probably at least have that option unless Cougars would prefer, at their age, just to win it all. 
Thanks for the support for this idea and if people are interested in running with it, I will definitely support it. I'll keep an eye on this and will look forward to seeing where this goes!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 2:35:19 GMT -6
But girls like Evangeline Lilly ( ranked 1 in bantam ) and Paula Patton ( ranked 16 in welter) are one of the best of their categories actually so very hard to put them in "cougar division" !!
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Post by Ginny on Jun 24, 2019 6:15:25 GMT -6
There is no universal agreement on weight divisions within women’s professional boxing, but amateur weight divisions are:
flyweight, not more than 106 pounds (48 kg)
bantamweight, 112 pounds (51 kg)
featherweight, 119 pounds (54 kg)
lightweight, 126 pounds (57 kg)
light welterweight, 132 pounds (60 kg)
welterweight, 141 pounds (64 kg)
middleweight, 152 pounds (69 kg)
light heavyweight, 165 pounds (75 kg)
heavyweight, 179 pounds (81 kg)
super heavyweight, any weight over 179 pounds (81 kg)
Since there are only a few FCBA women who admit to weighing more than 140#, when I proposed a 128 lb. dividing line, I (basically) took a number "halfway" between 106 and 140...which mathematically is closer to 124-125 (I think).
I guess the dividing line "should be" a point where roughly HALF the members of FCBA fall on either side...for match-making possibilities. Dividing Cougars by HEIGHT would also be a legitimate way to separate them, since that MIGHT be more fair given this is boxing, rather than wrestling(?)
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Post by gbs on Jun 24, 2019 11:38:32 GMT -6
40 maybe should be the drawing line as the division would be for boxers from age 40 onwards.
8 rounds sounds good.
Should the division go from weight to height so there are no bad mismatches or not?
Two Cougar Division belts would be great.
I have no idea about names for the two divisions at this time aside from a Silver division and a Gold division.
As per Luca's comment, This Cougar Division would not prohibit any boxer from appearing in regular FCBA bouts these would be add ons to or additional fights. No boxer would lose out on a title bout or anything like that because she boxes in the Cougar Division.
What else can be thought of question wise before we get to possible bouts?
Please write down any question or such that you can think of about this Cougar Division.
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Post by Tractorpull on Jun 24, 2019 12:05:27 GMT -6
I think it should be made clear a boxer over 40 doesn’t have to move to the Cougar division I see no reason whiy the fight should not go the standard ten rounds. At the present there are several fighers over 40 who have no trouble going ten. To assume otherwise suggest the can’t get in shape
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Post by Ginny on Jun 24, 2019 12:28:39 GMT -6
Should the division go from weight to height so there are no bad mismatches or not? , so I don't see how we can prevent them in the Cougars either. Besides, with two divisions (no matter whether based on height or weight) you're going to have size/weight differences that some would call a "mismatch". (Weight, based on 125#) If you have a small flyweight (105) fighting a mid-size lightweight (125) that could be called a mismatch if the flyweight is 5' tall and the lightweight 6'! Same with a 5'5" lightweight (126) vs a welter 6'3" (180). I say sort 'em out however we agree and then after 6 months or a year, look at the fights we've had and see how (or if) there's a way to make some adjustments that solve whatever perceived problems we have. Probably, we won't have many more "mismatches" than we already have... and we can live with that. |
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Post by gbs on Jun 24, 2019 12:30:16 GMT -6
Then should the division start with weight then?
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Post by gbs on Jun 24, 2019 13:22:28 GMT -6
Should the dividing line be 125 or 128?
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Post by The Dollhouse on Jun 24, 2019 14:08:58 GMT -6
Very cool idea, one just has to wonder how active these divisions would be?
We support 40+ for age restriction.
We support 8 rounds for fight length.
As for divisions, height would be preferable for two reasons: it is less 'flexible' due to height being static AND it is easier to determine a celeb's height rather than her weight.
If height it is, then maybe under and up to 5'5 and over 5'5.
If by weight, 128 sounds good.
Assuming the A and AA names were a joke..(right???)...how about a 'Cougar' and 'Jaguar' divisions? (Jaguars are bigger than Cougars in nature)
And yes, there should be belts!
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Post by gbs on Jun 24, 2019 17:18:11 GMT -6
I like Jaguar and Cougar names.
so 5'5 would be the dividing line? as would 128 pounds?
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Post by The Dollhouse on Jun 24, 2019 19:31:20 GMT -6
I like Jaguar and Cougar names. so 5'5 would be the dividing line? as would 128 pounds? Yes...but not both. |
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Post by Ginny on Jun 25, 2019 8:01:24 GMT -6
Maybe we need a POLL for the members to choose Height/Weight as the dividing issue, and where that point should be: (for example) VOTE FOR ONE:Height 5'5" Height 5'6" Weight 125 Weight 128 (I suppose if we did it that way, it would result in a four-way DRAW!)  |
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Post by Tractorpull on Jun 25, 2019 8:52:35 GMT -6
Since we have to decide a poll is as good a method as any. I go for weight at 125. meaning the 125 would be the maximum allowed. A fighter at 125 could fight virtually anywhere be it 125 and under or over 125
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Post by gbs on Jun 25, 2019 12:06:49 GMT -6
I gotta go with Tractorpull on 125 on weight.
And should Jaguar and Cougar be the division names or titles?
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