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Post by Celebrity Wrestling Federation on Nov 6, 2023 19:51:08 GMT -6
“ Priyanka Chopra challenges Natalie Dormer for the Bantamweight Title” Jokes aside, this is NOT meant to be a predatory post or incite anything, I’m just genuinely hoping to get clarification from someone with more knowledge. I know I’m one of the newer stables, but there are two even newer than me in QoA and FFC. If I was lost on this, I’m sure they could be too. So I’ve only been here just under two years, and just now got into what I thought was position to be eligible for lineal Titles with ONE of my fighters. Reading the Championship Guidelines post and all the discussion around that, I had been under the (maybe misguided) impression that Title defenses needed to be realistically within the top 20 or so of the rankings. Now I totally understand that storylines can be fun, rankings aren’t final, etc. but I just happened to be a fan of Dormer and knew from previously looking her up when I first joined that she wasn’t extremely active with LMW these days. Looking her up again, I see that she’s ranked a staggering # 87. I rarely pay attention to all the Titles, but is this common? Is there really no hard rule whatsoever or a point where common sense takes precedent on how low ranked a fighter can get a Title shot? I know if I was in the top 20 of the Bantam rankings, I’d be completely bewildered lol. Can a Champion literally pick anyone to defend against? What is my incentive if I hold a Title to pick anyone in the top 50 if #87 is acceptable? Just trying to understand here, because I think it’s important for new managers to have the same understanding as old ones. If old managers know that anyone can be challenged and new managers like me, Queens and FFC assume they need to use top 10 or top 20, I could see this being an issue.
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Post by oddmanout on Nov 6, 2023 21:24:10 GMT -6
As a general rule, the top 25 fighters in each division, according to the BWO rankings, are considered eligible for a title shot. This drops down to the top 40 for second-tier titles like the JMD title, Ice Hotel, Beach titles, etc. That said, the reigning champion has final say in who she defends the title against. As long as she doesn't make a habit of it, and Chopra hasn't, dropping outside the guidelines is allowed. Picking an opponent for dramatic reasons is fine, (for example, Olivia Holt still blames Danielle Campbell for retiring Sarah Shahi, and thus, every time she holds the flyweight belts, makes a point of hauling her up to humiliate her on the biggest stage she can) but deliberately picking no-hopers again&again is the sort of thing that gets noticed, and acted upon by the Commisoner and/or the record keepers.
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Post by Queens of Absolution on Nov 6, 2023 21:41:35 GMT -6
Also, to further what O&E said, Chopra has it in for Natalie for taking her off the 'front page' in favor of Mishy-Dove-Nessa. So while it may seem like a strange choice, it is following within the guidelines set out and as indicated by O&E.
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Post by The Grand Wizard OOC on Nov 7, 2023 5:19:34 GMT -6
So. A little history. Back when I joined the FCBA in 2010, stables challenged for title shots and the champion chose among the challengers. I, and several other managers, thought this was limiting on the champion, who should be able to OFFER to the fighter of her choice. After a lot of table pounding, that convention changed and we now live in an era when the champion, rightfully, gets to choose. All managers choose differently. Some have rules about how long it’s been since a fighter or a stable has had the title or a title shot. (I don’t have a rule, but I like to spread the shots around among stables and fighters to give more folks a chance.) But, what it comes down to is, the champion gets to choose. And, no one “takes advantage” by lining up undeserving fighters…simply because they don’t. And, if someone did, the Commissioner would get involved. (As for the rankings, we have to keep in mind that those are one person’s opinion, and, while they are great to use as a guideline, it wouldn’t be fair to have hard fast rules based on them.) There are, of course, lots of opInions on this, but, in my estimation, it’s working pretty well and we’re getting lots of good title fight matchups.
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Post by Celebrity Wrestling Federation on Nov 7, 2023 12:00:09 GMT -6
All great info! Maybe this should be added in some form or fashion to the pinned “Championship Guidelines” post? Just something to indicate the rules aren’t ‘hard and fast’. I know if I were to have held a Title before this conversation, I never would have deviated from the top-20 as I thought that was a firm rule. It’s great to know there’s an option to extend the rules occasionally for personal interest.
I guess I just made the leap in my head or somewhere along the way that Title defenses HAD to be against a top-20 fighter or top-20 adjacent or there was a hard veto. To be honest, I don’t keep up with much of the gossip and storylines outside my Stable (not that they aren’t great, just too much to track lol) so I had no idea Chopra and Dormer was ‘a thing’ that would invite an extension of the guidelines as O&E put it. Frankly I didn’t even know Dormer switched stables to Queens until five minutes ago haha. Thanks all for the replies!
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 7, 2023 13:19:27 GMT -6
As has been indicated, my choice for challenger for Priyanka Chopra is story-related. Dormer was getting after Michelle Williams, rightfully or wrongfully. Michelle is now retired, which removed the potential for a Michelle Williams-Natalie Dormer fight. Natalie Dormer is a bantam. Chopra is the bantam champion. I like a good story behind my choices when possible. Boom. My choice. Natalie Dormer. If you don't follow stories, there's no reason you'd know that.
I will say Priyanka has fought a great majority of the top 10, certainly not always as champion, but has fought them. There wasn't anyone glaring to me she hasn't fought before, which opened up my range of vision regarding challengers.
I could have easily chosen Natalie Alyn Lind, Priyanka's stablemate, since she's the #1 contender. Intrastable is not generally going to be my choice when it comes to title fights. Can't say I've never done it, but it wasn't my choice.
I hope this clarifies. It was not a standard choice and I don't mind the inquiry.
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Post by Celebrity Wrestling Federation on Nov 7, 2023 15:37:44 GMT -6
I definitely meant this in the general sense just because of my seemingly fundamental misunderstanding of the rules for Title defenses. Definitely didn’t mean it as a “challenge” to your choice or need an explanation of why it was done. More so just an explanation of the exact rules for Title defenses which others have clarified!
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